tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2617964716805982363.post7675023161325453586..comments2023-10-25T09:02:38.530-07:00Comments on undone: discipleship 101, the purpose driven lurch.Erinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13301222412563398458noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2617964716805982363.post-48000214224215563342008-05-01T11:28:00.000-07:002008-05-01T11:28:00.000-07:00I'm with you brother. I do think discipleship is ...I'm with you brother. I do think discipleship is a subset of relationship. If we are talking about transformation in the Kingdom, I would hope that all of our relationships are transformational. I.e. the intention, even on a subconscious level, is that of change. I'm still struggling with the concept of people asking to be discipled. I understand WHY we ask that question and WHY it's good for us. But, does that say something about our concept of relationship? Do we categorize our relationships between shallow ones versus deep ones? The shallow ones are ones where we are only looking to have a good time that doesn't necessarily involve anything deeper than 2 guys getting together to say the alphabet with 1 fart. Deeper ones are ones where we talk about our lives.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I don't really think I have a strong feeling either way. I am not against discipleship or am a discipleship hater. I love it! I just wonder if we're trying to partition our spiritual lives too much where we need a category for that because we're not able to, or not wanting to, intellectually put 2 worlds together.<BR/><BR/>But yea, we gotta get together bro. I miss you guys!Delfonicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07945928175219186214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2617964716805982363.post-717078662172522722008-05-01T09:29:00.000-07:002008-05-01T09:29:00.000-07:00hi Del :) We need to get together! Thanks for st...hi Del :) We need to get together! Thanks for stirring it up around here. I do think it's the relational nature of discipleship that gets lost on some theologians. I think though, that discipleship is a subset of relationship. It implies an intention for change by at least one of the parties involved. <BR/><BR/>I use the word "parties(!)" because, of course, I'm thinking of you :)<BR/><BR/>But yeah, the labeling becomes an entire industry of its own, instead of love.Erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13301222412563398458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2617964716805982363.post-84034993872278013272008-04-30T16:38:00.000-07:002008-04-30T16:38:00.000-07:00Bro: Not that I have thought as deeply and as ful...Bro: Not that I have thought as deeply and as fully as you or others on this subject, but thanks for writing about it. My initial two cents, without a filter of my useless brain right now, is that I don't know how I feel about labeling everything we do. Discipleship. Spiritual formation. Intercessory Advocation. And my all time favorite: Evangelism. I don't know if it's because we want to feel better about ourselves or if we just want to be self important. <BR/><BR/>With that said, I do think there is huge value in discipleship - but instead of calling it discipleship, I would rather just call it relationship. Because that's what this is all about I think. Our relationship with God and each other. If we can't have relationships with each other as Jesus wanted [great commission], then we either have to get help to do so or we have to re-evaluate what we're focusing on. Having relationships is not a gifting, it's not a seasonal focus, it's a way to live. <BR/><BR/>So I guess what I am saying is the formative part about relationships is to take interest in people, even if those interests are vastly different or even weirder than our own. And an expression of freedom in who they are. It doesn't make it all relative - i.e. that's your opinion and this is mine. But it does create some sort of trust, hopefully, that allow people to speak into each other's lives in a relational way.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, good post man. I may change my mind in what I just wrote tomorrow, but thought I'd leave a comment just to spice things up.<BR/><BR/>DelfonicaDelfonicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07945928175219186214noreply@blogger.com